go back and rely on those tribal leaders. give them back to their own rural area, give their real support, not cash, but real support as structure to build their own area, and if we don't gain the support of all the trouble areas, there will not be peace in afghanistan. i can assure you. >> well, you know, i just wanted for say that i don't want to come off as saying afghanistan turned into a mess because a lot of stupid people madelin of dumb mistakes. afghanistan is a mess because it was hard to fix that and there was a lot of competition. you know, the question of building a national army, the question was first and remains, you have an army. we do have an army in afghanistan now. but the question is, when the foreign forces leaving, if there is any interruption in the pay, whose army is that?